Your daily Keep the Faith- X-Men is all about *Erik and Charles,* II.

There’s so much of it, I had to do a second post…

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Q: Early word on the movie’s story line draws parallels between Xavier and Lehnsherr and Martin Luther King Jr. and Malcolm X in terms of the methods they use to achieve their goals. Did that comparison come out for you while making the film?

Fassbender: You don’t set out to play these things that way, but it’s a good parallel to have in the back of one’s mind, as something to take from real life as a reference. I didn’t study any Malcolm X videos or anything like that. But it clarifies where both these characters are coming from. Hopefully by the end of the film, the audience is like, “Damn, why didn’t these two guys stay together?” They have enough in common and not in common to keep each other in check, and hopefully the audience will feel like they could have worked together for the greater good.

Michael Fassbender (Source)

(Uh, can I get an AMEN?!)

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“If First Class was Eric’s story and Days Of Future Past is Charles’s story, then Apocalypse will be both of their stories. The first movie was about Eric becoming empowered. That’s the origin story of a man’s power. Days Of Future Past is about a guy who is a mess, masterminding the end of this massive movie. So they are both at their peak powers at the start of Apocalypse, so Apocalypse for me is culmination of that three-act love story.”

Simon Kinberg (Source)

(LOVE story. *LOVE.* story.)

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“It’s a tragic bromance,” says Zack Stentz, one of the screenwriters of X-Men: First Class, bringing to light what he considers, “the dirty little secret of the movie.”

“Bryan has told us that his model for this was J.J. [Abrams’] Star Trek,” recalls Zack, describing Abrams’ film as more of a “happy romance,” while First Class goes in the opposite direction. This is why Zack labels the film as a bromance. “It’s two characters who meet and love each other, but are driven apart by a combination of circumstance, and the fact that Erik can never get over the trauma of what was inflicted on him when he was a child.”

(Source)

And then Stentz corrected that word later on- from BROmance to ROmance:

Stentz basically confirmed Erik/Charles (he called First Class, “the tragic romance of Charles and Erik”) and went on to describe how if certain events/personal ideologies/chosen paths hadn’t forced them apart, Erik and Charles would most certainly be together. According to him, it’s one of those “they’re meant for each other, but fate refuses to let them stay together” situations.

-Zack Stentz, SDCC Comic Con (Not really an “official” source for this, but it’s all over the place.)

(Until Apocalypse.)

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Q: These films have always been ensembles, but First Class was really Erik’s story where as DOFP was Charles’ story, so is there a similar focus on a certain character in Apocalypse?

KINBERG: Um, I don’t wanna go into too much detail as we’re still working on it, but I will say that it is definitely the close of a trilogy for those First Class characters, which isn’t to say we won’t see them in future movies, hopefully we will, but it’s a completion of an arc for them. I think that the friendship between Erik and Charles, which has always been so integral to the franchise, is something we’re continuing to explore and hopefully deepen with Apocalypse.”

Simon Kinberg (Source)

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For the record, McAvoy would have preferred it if Xavier and Magneto stayed together. Like, really together. “It is a little bit of a mini-tragedy that him and Magneto don’t, you know, have sex and become married and become best friends.”

James McAvoy (Source)

(They will. We won’t see the sex on screen, of course, but we’ll get the rest. I know it in my soul of souls.)

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McKellen tells Empire magazine, “[Magneto] hasn’t been given a love line, which I think is a pity. It would be wonderful if the camera hovered over Magneto’s bed, to discover him making love to Professor X.”

Ian McKellen (Source)

(I love you, Ian. I hope Apocalypse turns out to be everything you dreamed for these two. ❤️)

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First Class was really, for me, Erik’s story, a sad one – “Can you ever get over the wounds of your past?” For me, the answer was no, at least in that story. It is a tragic story about a guy who starts the film losing someone to violence and ends the film as someone who is committing acts of violence himself. Days of Future Past is almost an inverse, about someone who starts to lose hope when he loses the most important people in his life. By the end of the movie, though, he’s found a new community and his hope is restored. All of the ways I’ve described those movies, they could manifest as a Woody Allen movie or a more purely character-driven dramatic piece, but the second I start to think about a relationship movie, it becomes spies very fast.

Simon Kinberg (Source)

(spies and conspiracy… You and Singer, lol.)

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It’s kind of a love story, like “Butch Cassidy and the Sundance Kid,” which, really, was a love story between two men. This is the first time in their lives they’ve met someone who is an equal of sorts, someone who understands them and can connect and push them too. Especially Charles, he’s fascinated with Erik and his potential. For Erik, Charles is the first person he’s trusted to really tell about his past and the first person to understand the horrible things he’s been through.

James McAvoy (Source)

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The pair [Stentz and Miller] centered the film on Xavier and Magneto’s relationship, and wrote the other characters and storylines in terms of “how they fit in the tension between Erik and Charles”.

-Children of the Atom: Filming X-Men First Class, First Class DVD/Blu-Ray Special Features.

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“I had had admiration from a distance,” Fassbender says, adding that the connection crystallized during the audition process. McAvoy, who was director Matthew Vaughn’s first choice to play Charles Xavier, tested with all the actors up for the part of Erik Lehnsherr, a.k.a. Magneto, in an effort to find the perfect chemistry. “James came in to do the screen test with me,” Fassbender says, “and from there, there was a respect and a friendliness between us. But then as it developed, there was more trust, and you realize that the other person’s got your back. Then the trust becomes deeper and it goes somewhere else, for sure.”

Michael Fassbender (Source)

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Q: Oh, yes. Moira and Xavier have a famous romantic relationship in the comics. How much of that relationship will we get to see?

Byrne: I think it’s more of a hint than a full painting, or whatever the metaphor might be. [Laughs] But there’s definitely a flirtation and an affection; they’re allies, so from the start they’re there for each other.

Q: They’re like… work buddies?

Byrne: Yeah, exactly!

Q: Looking forward with this franchise, are you signed on for an entire new X-Men trilogy?

Byrne: Yes. I have no idea, I can’t speak for other people, but yeah, I signed up for the whole bonanza. This and another two.

Q: So maybe we get to see more of that romance down the line.

Byrne: Yes! I think there’s definitely more life in it, a lot left to take place.

Rose Byrne (Source)

And she wasn’t IN the second film- Why?

Q: You brought back the core First Class cast, but there’s no Rose Byrne as Moira MacTaggert.

Singer: Moira? Yeah, Charles is not really involved in the CIA and that was a CIA thing.

(Source)

(So DON’T WORRY about her. She’s NOT the other half of the “Charles Xavier love story.” ERIK is. They are heterobaiting, I’m telling you.)

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“…what you try to do as a writer is give them a couple really sort of resonant moments, dramatic moments. And in many of the cases it’s a goodbye; in some of the cases it’s a reunion with someone that they love and haven’t seen for a long time…

We’re drawing elements from Age of Apocalypse. There will be things that are different and there will be things that are loyal and I can’t say much more then that. And partly I can’t say because we’re still figuring it out. But there isn’t a huge bridge between this and Apocalypse, though obviously we follow the main characters past the 1973 storyline and the movie takes place, Apocalypse, between X-Men: First Class and X-Men 1.

Simon Kinberg (Source)

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Q: You’re working on a lot of projects and I’m not sure if you’re attatched to write the sequel, but, if you do, would you ever consider bringing back, say, Cyclops or Jean Grey?

Goldman: You know, I can always make suggestions, and I did last time. Ultimately, those decisions come down to someone other than me. Would I, personally? Well, it’s really tricky. I think the route we had gone down with First Class — it’s sort of a question of where to go next, and I think those two characters were very strong, especially having [Michael] Fassbender and [James] McAvoy play them so brilliantly. In a comic sense, I still think there’s room for an X-Men [film] with the original X-Men [Laughs].

Jane Goldman (Source)

(I’m with Jane. Leave it to Cherik. Tumblr already said “this ship sails itself.”)

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Q:How do you set up their relationship in the future?

A: In the future, they’re like two old friends who realise they’ve made a lot of mistakes at the end of their relationship and the end of their lives – they’re wishing they could have done things differently. This movie, in some ways, affords them the chance to do things differently… That theme of “if you knew then what you know now, would you do differently” – that is the core theme of the film.

Simon Kinberg (Source)

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“He was a voyeur of Magneto’s experiences in the last movie, when he saw the trauma that Magneto had gone through, that Eric went through. And he felt for him, but he was a tourist through someone’s angst-ridden memories. Now he’s no longer a voyeur, when he sees someone’s pain, he can empathise with them. It reminds him of his own shit. Now the voices are harrowing and nightmarish to him. So he has disengaged, not just temporarily, but we find him at a point where he’s numbed his intellect, his character.

…it’s about exploring the things that were built up in Bryan’s previous movies, about these two people who were obviously on a very similar path at one point, then some mega shit went down, then they find themselves as adversaries. This movie and the end of the last movie are an exploration of that shit that went down. But again, they are in lots of ways very, very similar. They can’t help but relate to each other, and be drawn to each other, because they should be friends, despite the fact that they come from different camps, and they have different approaches to the same thing.

James McAvoy (Source)

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Any person that comes into contact with him, because of human’s reaction to his power, gets taken away from him. That what happens in the concentration camps, his mother gets killed by [Sebastian] Schmidt, so you have a very damaged character there, emotionally. Someone who has had a very bleak childhood. So that was interesting to work with that, and this idea of a lone wolf, someone who doesn’t really trust anybody or allow himself to open up to anybody except when he meets Charles and that’s the interesting thing, the relationship between these two guys.

Michael Fassbender (Source)

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Q: I think for most people, the idea of James McAvoy and Michael Fassbender going head to head in a film is quite tantalizing on its own. Did you get to spend time with both of them on set and in your scenes?

Byrne: [Laughs] I did — most of my stuff was with James, but I had a lot of ensemble pieces with a lot of the cast. They’re both wonderful in different ways; James is very smart, really clever with dialogue, really great with character, has an endless enthusiasm and energy and he’s really passionate about his work and a lot of fun. And Michael is brilliant. I think the tension between those two guys will be really interesting. Their relationship is the heart of the film. Michael has such a devilish streak in him that it really gives a whole new dimension to Magneto. I think it’s very exciting for fans to be able to revisit these characters as young men. What a pleasure, for fans to be able to say that.

Rose Byrne (Source)

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If someone came to us with a story about Ian and Patrick and it was as compelling as anything else being told, then we’d take it seriously.

Simon Kinberg (Source)

(Which is *exactly* what they’re doing right now.)

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Q: There’s a sense that it’s all coming full circle…

A: I feel like I’m living Days Of Future Past. There’s a line where Patrick Stewart says, ‘A second chance for everyone’. We’ve been joking about that. I feel like that little by little. I have enormous affection for the franchise and the universe. From the moment I came up with a way in with X-Men: First Class to tell that story that always interested me, which was the Xavier-Magneto story, suddenly it was a way to revisit the universe, coming at it through history and I really enjoy that. What role did mutants play in the past and in their secret history?

Bryan Singer (Source)

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“What I love between Ian and Patrick in X1, 2, 3 is the sense that they’re disappointed in each other. They actually wish that the other one would just come back to them, come back to their side, you know, ‘we could be so great together.’ It really is a post-divorce story. Understanding the origin of their conflict was the thing that was most interesting to me in this film. Understanding the beginning of their political fissure and their emotional fissure.”

Simon Kinberg (Source)

The theme Rage and Serenity from the “Satellite Scene” in FC plays all the way through in this video.

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“What you want is to focus on the emotional story behind [Erik and Charles], and also telling another…another story. It sheds new light on where it ends up, and I think that’s what you always aim for.”

Jane Goldman (Source)

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During that same interview, Fassbender was asked where he saw his character Magneto going to in the next film but had to keep quiet about film details.

“Well, I can’t really tell you. I want it to be in the next one! I’ve had these conversations with Simon and there’s a certain strand of his story that I think is pretty interesting and would like to explore, if we could,” he said.

Michael Fassbender (Source)

(I wonder what that strand could possibly be… 🙂 it’s still technically a crack theory, but…gold ring gold ring gold ring)

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But they can’t show too much of their romance, right? It’s the 1960s, the 1970s. Erik and Charles are in the real world. But the timeline was pushed forward at the end of DoFP. Like Kinberg said“From 1973 forward, the world knew about mutants… That’s not the history we grew up with.”

And McAvoy echoes that:

“I think that is something that is really strong in the X-Men dynamic between these two men who both want the same thing really. Well, they don’t both want the same thing actually. A lot of the time… in the comic books, Erik comes and goes; he goes back and forward really in what he believes and how he is going to achieve it. And in this film it’s sort of like meeting them at a point where they are still finding out who they are and you are still seeing some of the events that shaped them, not through their early life, but some of the key events in the sort of equal rights or civil rights struggle that helped shape them. But that is something that Michael [Fassbender, who plays Erik] and I have talked about a hell of a lot — that dynamic. And you know, you can’t go for it too much because you don’t want to… in no way would you ever want to sort of trivialize the civil rights movement, but it is just sort of abundantly transferrable really. You know? You’ve got to try and look at how the rest of the world reacted to that and it really informs how the rest of the world reacts to the mutant struggle in this film.”

James McAvoy (Source)

And they’ve known from early on where the story was going to go…

“Then, I got the hint of an interesting answer from McAvoy (it is at about 1:20). McAvoy said that he has viewed his job as to play the role differently than Stewart, “Until the kind of final moments of the third movie… it’s about charting the journey towards Patrick Stewart.” We will have to see what means in terms of 2016’s “X-Men: Apocalypse,” but it does seem as though McAvoy has had an idea from the beginning about where the story has been headed and maybe even how long it will take to get there…”

(Source)

It’s all them. All Erik and Charles, all the time. They will be canon in Apocalypse. This isn’t queerbaiting- listen to what they’re saying above. This is a build-up to a reveal. That’s what Apocalypse means.

Like I promised a few months ago, I’ll remind you all of this every. single. day. This is a love story, and you will see that. You will see it.

KEEP THE FAITH.

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